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- Visigoth on 2008-06-29 - Tags marx , lincoln , civil-war , comments , blog , letter , slavery , revolution , workers , europe , south , government , slave-trade , socialism
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Some writers have have stated Lincoln was not a moralist in regards to slavery, as much as he was a racist; desirous to keep slavery out of the terrirtories of the U.S. for the sake of the White laborer. There are various ways of looking at Lincoln's approach to these twin issues: slavery and labor. We do know that even in his adult, political life, Black (Negroes) were prohibited from settling in Illinois, free or slave. We do know he was a "corporate" lawyer; working for the high powered and influential railroads of his day. The statements of these writers seem to be substantiated by Lincoln's own actions and the actions of those who admired him but who are less spoken of than are those who have been given the spotlight, emphasizing Lincoln's philanthropy toward Blacks. The "real" Lincoln, as we move farther from the Civil War, is emerging and he is not "the Lincoln" of my early childhood education. Lincoln was, it seems, a "big government, pro corporation, pro-lobby" Republican." How come so few Americans to day know this? For a number of reasons: 1) Intellectual apathy; 2) Intellectually dishonest historians who ought to know better; 3) A Left/Liberal agenda of personal bias that cannot be objective toward either Lincoln's flaws or the South's assets in the same sense that few recall JFK's cardinal failings; choosing rather to amplify sometimes attributes that are contrived out of whole cloth. "Camelot" was not even used while JFK was alove. It was only after he was assasinated. Same with Lincoln. He was not very popular prior to his death. In fact he was thoroughly despised by some (and this in the North) and among his own political party until...UNTIL..his death by assasination. The Lincoln and the John Fitzgerald Kennedy of the apoetheosis do not resembled the men of life or reality.
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The last setence/phrase....does the comment's author have even a working knowledge of the following 3 to 4 decades following the end of the American Civil War? A worker's paradise it was not. In short order, the welfare of the newly freed Negro was dropped and long before Reconstruction ended; the "barons of capitalism" took the helm; not the liberal activist for equality. Not even the working Whites in the North were spared. Google terms such as: "Gilded Age"; "Robber Barons"; "19th Century Industrialists..." and any number of these you will find got their initial foot in the door with Lincoln and the Republican Party's rise to power. I believe too the term "Spoils System" got its inauguration during this era.
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WHAT??!! Republicans lie now. Looks like they were liars back then.
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Yes and this "welfare and happiness of mankind" would be exhibited for the following 3 decades after the Civil War by the wealthy industrialists and tycoons who dominated the American "experiment" at the cost of the White laborer in the North and the freed Blacks in the South. Remember: it was the Republican Party that led the banner of the Union war effort and emerged the heroic victor in 1865. For the longest time following the influence and dominance except for short intervals, was the Republican Party's. The power, influence and money to continue what Lincoln is promoted to having begun, did not continue and this by the same circles who supported his election; reelection and goals.
Initially, Marx apparently criticized Lincoln (as did abolitionists like Garrison and Wendell Phillips and Frederick Douglass, I think) for not moving rapidly enough to abolish slavery. But as the quote indicates, by the end of the Civil War Marx's historical evaluation of Lincoln had apparently become much more positive.
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My card carrying Socialist Workers Party Cousin and also a Southerner, absolutely adored Lincoln and thought Stalin a hero.
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Most notably: the treatment of the Irish in the North..
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The American North was predominatly English Puritan... The South was (in the southeast) predominately Scotch-Irish. In the Gulf States of the deep South, there was more of a mixture of everything, including French and Spanish but also many "Yankees" came south prior to the Civil War and becoming slave owners themselves, made quite dandy little fortunes.
Long live the revolutionary vanguard and progressive elements of the Democratic Party!
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on 2008-06-29 by visigoth
Yes...YES!! Comrades...! Obama, our great leader, will be victorious! (Americans have a fine set of choices this election 2008. We can continue and even expand the Fascist (Nazism American style) under the Republicans and McCain or OR...we can go Islamo-Marxist with Obama. In either case...Americans of good will who value the America that was..are the loser. Americans in the middle find themslves this time as the Germans of the Wiemar Republic did, caught between Nazi (Republican) Brownshirts and Communist...minus..so far..the street battles.
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Well that's one way of bringing "the revolution" to the "Capitalist pigs." Just quit working...
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I have to agree with this observation but I also would add...I worked for a European owned large corporation here in the States and I found more of a rigid, mega-control, super-surveillance..almost oppressive business atmosphere. This may be due to the company being Swiss & German owned (emphasis on the German) but from what I have been reading of late regarding the EU..I think this must now be a European thing. Europe is back in the slave trade as it was in the 16th-17th century. Only this time it is Whitey and the Brothers.
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